Brittany Duggan in conversation with Leslie-Ann Glen and Nicola Pantin
Last fall, Leslie-Ann Glen and Nicola Pantin were Series 8:08’s Take Two choreographers. Both enjoyed the opportunity to share works-in-progress, first at either the September or October CPW (Choreographic Performance Workshop), and then again in November. Both choreographers took advantage of residencies, made available to them by 8:08’s newest partner, Hub 14, before sharing their work for a second time. The Take Two program is an extension of the CPW series and was initiated in 2010/11.
What was your impetus to submit choreography to Series 8:08′s Choreographic Performance Workshop?

Falciony Patino Cruz and Freya Sargent - photo by Ingrid Forster
Leslie-Ann Glen: With a brand new dance company, it is important to create as much work and submit to as many opportunities to showcase work as you possibly can. It is also deeply vital for a new choreographer to have feedback on the strength of their work; whether or not audiences will enjoy it, how they will react, etc. I submitted to Series 8:08 because it is accessible to a new and unknown choreographer (they will accept new artists), and because it is an essential tool for obtaining feedback and developing confidence in my art.
Nicola: I had just come back to town, went to one of Kenny pearl’s open classes at CCDT and was catching up with Tanya Crowder. She said there was an opening and I thought it was a great opportunity to show my piece. I’d shown it in a new Fringe in Stratford in May and I needed another look at it to see if it merited developing a full-length work and if I still wanted to choreograph only on women. I used to do 8:08′s all the time – since the beginning – and since it’s been about 10 years since the last one I did, I knew it was a good time to get back and use this valuable forum.

Neesa Kenemy and Meredith Thompson in Nicola Pantin's "Women of Tango" - photo by Omer Yukseker
With your audience responses and notes from your Resident Outside Eye (ROE) after your first showing, how did you prepare to go back into the studio and continue working on the same piece?

Joanie Audet, Falciony Patino Cruz, Olivia Citter and Brandon Ramsey in Leslie-Ann Glen's rehearsal at Hub 14 - photo by Leslie-Ann Glen
Leslie-Ann Glen: The audience responses for both the first and second showings were extremely diverse – all over the map. Complimentary comments strengthened my confidence in certain aspects of the piece, while constructive criticisms made me question my work and strive to improve it. Comments that were less helpful would disagree with fundamental elements of the piece (things the work was based on and therefore would not change), and comments that were excessively unclear (example: “story??!!!?!!”). I sat down with my dancers and all of the comments, and we chose which ones we agreed with, and which ones we overruled. I also went back to my ROE and asked her the best way to disagree with her advice, and she was again very helpful. [Leslie-Ann had Sylvia Bouchard as ROE for her first workshop and Sasha Ivanochko for her second.]
Nicola: I too had complimentary comments and criticisms. I particularly remember a critique about style – too balletic at one point, something I inserted purposefully. I actually still like that aspect of my work and decided that I may need more for it to be effective.
I had asked the audience whether the Spanish lyrics bothered them and my ROE and audience assured me that it did not. [Nicola’s first ROE was Susan Cash, with Sasha Ivanochko second.] This came as a relief to me as the music in this case was the inspiration for the piece and I preferred to keep it.

Neesa Kenemy in Nicola Pantin's "Women of Tango" - photo by Omer Yukseker
My ROE and audience for the most part thought the piece was strong without the use of men. I gathered from my ROE that I needed to restructure the piece and the characters to make my story more clear. So, with all of this under my belt I decided to do another piece that I’d been meaning to remount, lengthen and finish. I learned that the piece could work on its own, and although I didn’t need men in this piece, I did want to use them in the future to complete a full-length work. I decided that the music worked but I didn’t want to use a whole album of this music for a full-length piece with only women as i had shared with my September CPW audience.
I spoke with my husband (a director) and we decided that Women of Tango (September’s CPW) definitely had a place in a full-length piece that we want to recreate together. So I decided to keep the comments and the work from September as a piece to rework in the future and take advantage of an additional opportunity to get feedback on another installment of the final work. I’m very happy with my decision and I credit my ROE and audience for helping me get there.
Nicola, I understand your residency was used to work on a whole new piece, but Leslie-Ann can you comment further on your residency? For example, tools you may have used to go back into the piece and/or any observations/reflections you made from this opportunity of time?

Falciony Patino Cruz and Freya Sargent in Leslie-Ann Glen's work - photo by Ingrid Forster
Leslie-Ann: This is a tricky question. The lead dancer in my duet was deported to the States shortly after my first showing. So, while I had planned to further develop the duet, instead I had to teach the whole thing to a new dancer and start again from the beginning. This really stunted my ability to work on my suggestions, since they mostly involved bringing the dancers deeper into the work. I was, however, extremely glad to have the residency with Hub14 to help re-teach the piece. Losing my dancer was a huge disappointment, and the donated space softened that blow a lot. I was also able to proceed into the next work, thankfully, but I would have liked to delve deeper into the duet and use my comments to their full capacity. Luckily, I will be able to do so now.
Because of outside circumstances and future considerations, you both weren’t able to use the residency to further develop your initial submissions. After what became two independent workshops, what are your short-term plans – hopes, aspirations – for these pieces? In what ways has 8:08 contributed to your making/thinking?
Nicola: I’d love to continue to workshop and present both pieces in any small festivals. I will likely present a short version of the Table Dance at a fundraiser through Pegasus Children’s Dance Theatre at the Betty Oliphant Theatre on February 12th. There is also a May Fringe Festival in Stratford where I may present the long version of the Table Dance. I’d also like to start developing the full-length piece called Little Freedoms under Adam Nashman’s direction – trying to see how both pieces fit into the story that we are creating.

Dana Bondy, Neesa Kenemy, Desmond Osborne and Nicola Pantin in Nicola Pantin's "Table Dance" - photo by Omer Yukseker

Nicola Pantin in her own work "Table Dance" - photo by Omer Yukseker
8:08 provided much needed space, an audience and archival video and photos from which to continue to refine the work. It has helped me discover the weaknesses in my story and composition. I did ‘throw’ both pieces together in very few rehearsals due to money and time constraints. I know a lot more time is needed with my dancers to play and to work on style – and to clean of course. Most of all 8:08 helped me to decide to continue with both works.
Leslie-Ann: The duet that I presented in October and November’s CPW, as well as the quartet I showed in the latter, is part of a full-length production I am currently working on for the summer. Pollux Dance has been accepted into the Ottawa Fringe Festival, so we are working on an hour-long presentation for our June deadline. The piece is about the human condition: twenty-somethings, love, relationships, sex, and all that surrounds it. The stories are based upon (and mixed within, recorded conversations over coffee– people dishing their relationship turmoil and feelings on this topic. I am hoping to remount this production in Toronto in the fall.
Series 8:08 has given me a look into how varying the audiences’ perception of a piece can be. Some will receive your message just as you have delivered it, and others will not relate and disconnect themselves. An artists’ work is so subjective that one always wonders if the world understands what they are trying to get across. I believe Series 8:08 is a crucial tool for choreographers to check in with themselves, to see if their work is any “good”. It also instills a confidence in the creator that is vital to believing in ones own art.